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| Pokemon ReBurst Idea?; A look into the possibility of a burst warrior class. | |
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| Arcran | May 29 2012, 08:53 PM Post #41 |
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| Saruno | May 31 2012, 10:16 PM Post #42 |
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So the more I learn about Burst and what not from the manga, the more I feel that this should be an advanced class to Martial Artist. Everyone seems to have a fighting style every-time I look at the manga or read about the characters. Also since it appears Burst Hearts can be created, I think a Homebrew Feature for Artificer or a trainer feature about the construction of these could be a good idea. The question would be about not making it too easy to create one and it isnt clear from what I read about how Burst Hearts are created nor can I find it mention yet. |
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| Kaorin Sakura | Jun 1 2012, 05:45 AM Post #43 |
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I have been in and out of this thread and haven't read every little detail but I've been vaguely following things and have read up Burst on bulbapedia. I haven't ever read any of the manga as a fore-warning. I've seen the stats, loyalty conversations and such but has anything been said about types? Bulbapedia specifically stated that things like immunities are transferred over, such as a Ground type passing over its Electric immunity with Burst. It didn't state anything about weaknesses and resistances, but this can be assumed that it would if it passes over immunities. As far construction, it's a Burst Heart, right? It stores a creature in an elaborate world (I remember there being a test mentioned in order to obtain the ability to burst with the Pokémon) which could be based off of the Pokéball mechanics depending on what version of "inside of a Pokéball" you follow. Combine that with say, a Heart Scale and fossilized tree sap (thus, making the creation of such a thing expensive or difficult; which should very well be possible considering the re-animation of fossils in the first place). I think the three items mentioned combined together creates a Burst Heart rather well. Just a few things I wanted to put my thoughts on. |
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| Saruno | Jun 1 2012, 06:02 AM Post #44 |
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When you burst, you get their types basically. The main character is both Dragon/Electric for bursting with Zekrom. As for construction, they seem to be stored in jewels. Actually they are compared to pokeballs except instead of releasing the pokemon you fuse with it. So actually having it under Pokeball Designer might make more sense. Also I think you are referring to the test Ryouga had to perform in order to meet Zekrom from the gatekeeper within the Burst Heart. As far as I know, anyone can burst as long as they have went through the necessary training. Without the training, it would be hard to do and could kill ya. Edited by Saruno, Jun 1 2012, 06:05 AM.
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| Kaorin Sakura | Jun 1 2012, 06:17 AM Post #45 |
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I went with Heart Scale since it had a lot to do with Pokémon Moves, value and loyalty stuffs. Fossilized Tree Sap is Amber, which is a type of jewel if I'm not mistaken-or valued just as much. I just went with that instead of just any old shiny transparent palm-sized thing because it's been known to actually store things. Liquid, creatures, air, etc. And preserve them. For years. Lots of years. Billions. I felt that it fit the theme. And this is simply for construction, not the final product. To create it, you'd still need the right tools and those three elements would just be that; ingredients. What would you propose instead though rather than just the feature+money? |
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| Saruno | Jun 1 2012, 06:46 AM Post #46 |
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Amber is actually fossilized tree resin. They could be stored in Amber but B-Hearts do not look like what we perceive as amber. They look more like they are stored in a gemstone of a mineral-type more so than an organic. I also have not seen amber shaped in the way B-Hearts are. I was thinking they could be stored in used Type-Gems. Since I believe that they could very well be weak enough after use that they could be broken as well. Right now I do not have any ideas about how B-Hearts could be created. I am still thinking about how that can be done. |
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| Kaorin Sakura | Jun 1 2012, 07:01 AM Post #47 |
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Fossilized tree resin or tree sap, as explained here under Paleoclimate applications. From what I understand, Amber, like most things, can be carved into different shapes. Carved, may not be the right term exactly, but its shape can be changed. So, I don't think shape is really an issue. But, with type gems, the only problem I see here is consistency. One being, type gems can only be one type whereas Pokémon can be two. Two being, type gems can be absorbed to empower a move. If a type gem is used to host a Pokémon, what happens when it's used to empower a move? Actually, wait, used type gems? Forget all I said as I don't have anything to say on that. ;-; We see them differently here. I personally think a Burst Heart should be something very unique and that it should function in such a way. From what I understand, there's only a few of them to exist in the manga, which means they're ancient, which means they're more natural. Look at Pokéballs made from apricorns for example. If we want the feature for its construction to exist, which we do otherwise the class is much less fun, we should try and keep it unique but not steer too far into the magic and fantasy physics. Perhaps a kit or something that costs a flat amount and a base cost to create each Burst Heart. Maybe have prerequisites of the feature to touch bases of Pokéball designer and give it the flavour text of, "stores the Pokémon in a valuable stone, therefore it touches bases with all of what we discussed while leaving it fairly open for GMs or Players to store their Pokémon in. It's manufactured thus, it'll be shaped however they want. Edited by Kaorin Sakura, Jun 1 2012, 07:02 AM.
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| Saruno | Jun 1 2012, 08:52 AM Post #48 |
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Just as a side note, I would not trust the wikipedia for anything as it has proven to be numerously wrong and is not a reliable source of information. I would read http://academic.emporia.edu/abersusa/whatis.htm. Reason I said used Type Gems as because once the hidden power is used, they should be technically still there. Again this is more of my understanding if it was a irl comparison more than the game. I figure they would be weaker in construction but still solid enough to hold a pokemon. There is roughly about at least 30 in the manga at this time, and the construction of these B-hearts seem to be quite an easy feat for the criminal organization. However I would assume Bursting, can come from an ancient way so I would have two features. The first should be the ability to find a Burst Heart. Lore Wise I would place it under Petrologist. He is basically your item hunter. You could put this under Stone Search but I think a separate feature should be made. Burst Heart Finder (Extended Action) Prerequisites: Petrologist, INT 20, Knowledge about Burst Hearts Weekly Effect: Roll 1d20 plus your INT modifier. If you roll 25 or higher, you will find a Burst Heart chosen by your GM. This feature requires a full day worth of time while you search. I do believe that should be hard enough while not being to hard. Now for the creation one. I am thinking something like Burst Heart Creation (Extended Action) Prerequisites: Petrologist, Burst Heart Finder One Time Use Only - Every 10 levels gained, you gain an additional use of this feature. Effect: In order to use this feature, you will need a valuable jewel and a pokemon of your choice. Roll 1d20 plus your INT modifer. If you roll 15 or higher, you are successful in creating the Burst Heart. The Burst Heart can be in the shape of your choice. This feature requires six hours of time during creation. Yeah I changed my mind again but I think it fits with Petrologist best. Obv this is very rough and needs to be thought through better but its a start I guess. Edited by Saruno, Jun 1 2012, 08:54 AM.
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| Kaorin Sakura | Jun 1 2012, 09:28 AM Post #49 |
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I looked into it a bit more and found that Amber is in the jewel family but more so grandfathered in. It's an organic gemstone vs. the typical mineral gemstone and non-manufactured Amber rivals non-manufactured Diamonds, depending on the preserved sources in it vs. the natural tint of the Diamond: Ex; Green tinted Diamonds from radiation exposure induced flaws in the crystalline carbon structure when Diamonds are formed. Perhaps jewel could be replaced with gemstone? As for criminal organizations creating Burst Hearts, I don't think comparing a PC creating something vs. a criminal organization with seemingly endless amount of funds and staff creating something is a good idea. What's easy for them doesn't mean it's easy for a single person with limited funds. I'm just trying to bring in different perspectives. I don't have quite as much knowledge on Burst as a whole to bring in much to the table. Although, about creating the Burst Heart feature. If they fail that roll, since it's a 'you can only do this once' feature, will they lose that opportunity to create a Burst Heart until they obtain another 10 levels? |
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| Saruno | Jun 1 2012, 03:07 PM Post #50 |
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Yes but you cant count out a PC that gets aid from a research laboratory either to count that out. Campaign dependent but can go back and forth. Yes they would lose the feature. I might lower the feature to Weekly or even Monthly. What I was trying to do is prevent them from Spamming Burst Hearts out like candy since they can sell for a pretty high price even if they do not use it themselves. That one will still need the klinks workout but I am gonna spend an enormous amount of time preparing this class because I personally want to use it in my campaigns lol. I will post my findings when I am done. |
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