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Grappling issue/requested fix; Problem with grappling rules
Topic Started: Jan 5 2017, 02:44 AM (897 Views)
mishli
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Flamewolf9
Jan 5 2017, 02:04 PM
I don't mean to be dismissive, but this sounds like you were trying to use the wrong tool for the job. Why not put the boss to sleep? Or paralyze it? Or knock it out, drag it into the cave, use a revive and run? Blind it? Push it with Push moves? Use the Push Maneuver? These either mitigate the damage of the boss while being grappled or move the boss around without putting someone who isn't ready to grapple at risk.
no offense taken, but we didn't have enough consistent status moves at the time to sucessfully cc it, + it was a boss that often gets resistances to status moves, pushing we did completely forget about, i'll give you that.

As a side note, our GM flat out refuses to let us use the 'knock them out and then use a revive/let them heal over time' trick because when we first started we had horrible issues accidently knocking pokemon out, so one person (who ran out of pokeballs) literally just picked up the pokemon and carried it around, punching it every half hour to make sure it stayed unconscious, until he finally met up with the rest of the group and borrow some pokeballs. (this happened like 5-10 times) GM put his foot down there and said 'anytime you use that strat, the pokemon will be permanently disabled in some way' whether it be lowered stats or the pokemon literally loses some of it's moves. He made it really clear he doesn't like that strat.
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l33tmaan
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mishli
Jan 6 2017, 12:54 AM
As a side note, our GM flat out refuses to let us use the 'knock them out and then use a revive/let them heal over time' trick because when we first started we had horrible issues accidently knocking pokemon out, so one person (who ran out of pokeballs) literally just picked up the pokemon and carried it around, punching it every half hour to make sure it stayed unconscious, until he finally met up with the rest of the group and borrow some pokeballs. (this happened like 5-10 times) GM put his foot down there and said 'anytime you use that strat, the pokemon will be permanently disabled in some way' whether it be lowered stats or the pokemon literally loses some of it's moves. He made it really clear he doesn't like that strat.
Hah, one of my players tried to do that with a Kecleon he was trying to capture - the other party member knocked it out, so they carried it around for a couple of minutes.
Of course it woke up the next time the players were in combat and far enough away from it. Sprinted right on out of there so quickly that they didn't even bother giving chase. Man, was he mad.
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tulpacat
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Being knocked out from concussive force for hours on end is how you spell "Permanent Brain Damage", if you want to use somewhat grim realistic consequences for that sort of shenanigans.

Other solutions include setting the pokémon's loyalty to 0 for a very significant period of time due to the cruel mistreatment it suffered before it was captured...

Holding up a dark mirror by having the players encounter the local Team Rocket equivalent poaching pokémon by using the exact same strategy the players are using, while friendly NPCs wring their hands and decry their evil abuse...

Having someone find out and let the players draw the ire of People for the Ethical Treatment of Pokémon...

Or just quietly staring at them, a single eyebrow raised, until they realize they're being unreasonable.
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Hungrygnome
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Well, that pokemon you are repeatedly knocking unconcious should be racking up injuries. It is valid, though how it is viewed very much depends on setting on how people view pokemon (are they wild creatures, or everyones friend, or a mix of both?) I ran a setting where pokemon were wild creatures, and people might not think too much of it. A standard setting that would be seen as deplorable.

But then again, how do you move a pokemon (who cannot be put into a ball) ethically? Sleep wears off, and the only other thing I can think of is to bind it while prone, as in current rules thats the only thing that prevents it from using any moves.
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I think the better question is: how is capturing a pokemon against its will ethical at all?
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Hungrygnome
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Sometimes, a dangeous creature has to be moved. This happens in real life, even. Generally, they tranq it and move it to a remote location. Thats about as ethical as it gets. But in Pokemon world, its considered normal to leave a trail of unconcious pokemon in your wake as you travel. Yet they are our friends at the same time. Its a weird mentality I cant quite ever understand other than from video game logic stand point ( its just how it is, its just a game).

I mean, we give vicious dangerous creatures to children, raise them as everyday helpers and friends, and still pit them against each other in socially acceptable dog fights...along with going out and beating up and capturing them in the wild whenever we feel like. Yet we frown upon blatant mistreatment of them. Its mind boggling when you think about pokemon as anything other than property. You treat your stuff well, you might even pit your stuff against someone elses stuff, as long as it can be fixed.. but you dont go breaking random stuff.. thats just not done... but if that stuff threatens you, you remove it.
Edited by Hungrygnome, Jan 6 2017, 11:41 AM.
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tulpacat
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How to ethically move pokémon you can't put into a ball, an introductory course.

Step 1: Trip them.

Step 2: Get them in a Grapple.

They can't take a Shift action to get up from the Tripped state, and as long as they can't they also can't take any other actions, including the Full action needed to fight the grapple. If you prefer, you can mix up the order of these two: Grapple them and then Trip them.

Step 3: Once you have achieved Dominance in the grapple, they can't fight this Dominance in any way. Spend a Full Action moving your Overland speed minus their weight each turn.

Step 4: Success.

I had a player combine this with the Fire Ace "Trail Blazer" ability to literally rake enemy pokémon over the coals. I was in between aghast at the cruelty and delighted at the ingenuity.
Edited by tulpacat, Jan 6 2017, 11:43 AM.
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