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Pokemon using weapons; Could Pokemon use weapons sized to them
Topic Started: Jul 25 2015, 11:52 AM (1,632 Views)
Diancie Acolyte
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I am currently running a campaign using the PTU 1.05 system. I was wondering...could it be possible for Pokemon to use manufactured weapons (e.g swords, knives, spears)? This question became apparent when one of my players asked me. Personally as a GM I wouldn't mind it. Some Pokemon's natural weapons are weapons ( e.g honedge, oshawott evolutionary line using their shells as weapons) It has a unique flare to it and may give more options to use struggle attacks instead of moves with their Pokemon, but I am wondering about other's thoughts on the matter.
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Some of this varies from campaign to campaign, but: I would say, it's okay if it makes sense for the Pokemon in question. A Cubone using a sword instead of a bone club? Sure. A Machamp with a rocket launcher? Heck yes. But a Solosis or a Gastly with nunchaku seems weird to me.

I would also say, in a typical PTU game where Pokemon have only a single Held Item Slot, that you can only hold a single weapon. (Even Machamp, with its four arms, cannot dual-wield katanas - let alone quad-wield.)

Though remember that weapons only modify your Struggle attack. If you have a magic weapon that does typed damage, and you wanted to hand that to a Pokemon, that makes tactical sense to me - but most Pokemon, barring having things that boost their Struggle attack, are usually better off hitting a foe with a proper Move (particularly since Struggle doesn't get STAB) - a weapon helps close that gap, but unless it's a heck of a blade or they're kitted out for pure support, it probably doesn't close it.

As for taking it further - teaching those Pokemon to use them well - IE, having Moves related to that weapon - that sounds like it's in the realm both of spending Tutor Points, and of homebrew.
Edited by Elemental Knight, Jul 25 2015, 01:42 PM.
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...I don't know about practicality of giving a Machamp lots of weapons, but a quad-katana General Grievous style Machamp sounds amazing.
Maybe if they had special training or it was plot point it could work.
Either way it needs to happen.
Edited by Anonyman, Jul 25 2015, 01:56 PM.
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Some pokemon can already, they have the Wielder Capability. Make a Poke-edge to give certain pokemon the wielder capability if you want.
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So far as I know, only pokemon with Wielder can actually use weapons, and only melee weapons and they can never get Master moves. The Core Rule Book says that Equipment is only usable by trainers, and the wielder capability specifically says it allows the user to wield weapons, which would further imply pokemon can't use them without them.

Personally i don't think it would be a terribly big deal to houserule pokemon could wield manufactured weapons, but I've not had the chance to test it myself.
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Jul 25 2015, 01:42 PM
Some of this varies from campaign to campaign, but: I would say, it's okay if it makes sense for the Pokemon in question. A Cubone using a sword instead of a bone club? Sure. A Machamp with a rocket launcher? Heck yes. But a Solosis or a Gastly with nunchaku seems weird to me.

I would also say, in a typical PTU game where Pokemon have only a single Held Item Slot, that you can only hold a single weapon. (Even Machamp, with its four arms, cannot dual-wield katanas - let alone quad-wield.)

Though remember that weapons only modify your Struggle attack. If you have a magic weapon that does typed damage, and you wanted to hand that to a Pokemon, that makes tactical sense to me - but most Pokemon, barring having things that boost their Struggle attack, are usually better off hitting a foe with a proper Move (particularly since Struggle doesn't get STAB) - a weapon helps close that gap, but unless it's a heck of a blade or they're kitted out for pure support, it probably doesn't close it.

As for taking it further - teaching those Pokemon to use them well - IE, having Moves related to that weapon - that sounds like it's in the realm both of spending Tutor Points, and of homebrew.
Actually, in 1.05, if sufficiently good quality, weapons offer their own unique moves that don't take up a moveslot. So they can be useful for expanding a Pokemon's attack options.
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It really depends on the Pokémon. Any Pokémon with crappy attack stats gets nothing from extra physical moves, and a lot of physical attackers don't really need a normal type attack option unless they have horrendous coverage. There's a real trade off in losing a useful held item in that slot. Not to mention, by RAW, Pokémon can never wield ranged weapons which prevents melee mons to gain a way to deal with kiting or flying enemies, so... I unno.
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Well, it's a good thing that most Wielder 'mons are physical-focused, then, isn't it? Plus, most weapon moves have extra effects, such as multi-targeting, which most "natural" physical moves don't get.
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I understand that. I was responding in the context of if all Pokémon could wield weapons, not just wielders.
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FanaticRat
Jul 26 2015, 05:24 AM
It really depends on the Pokémon. Any Pokémon with crappy attack stats gets nothing from extra physical moves, and a lot of physical attackers don't really need a normal type attack option unless they have horrendous coverage. There's a real trade off in losing a useful held item in that slot. Not to mention, by RAW, Pokémon can never wield ranged weapons which prevents melee mons to gain a way to deal with kiting or flying enemies, so... I unno.
I do believe that's what Arcane Weapons are for, I have an abra that's got the ability to wield arcane weapons. It's a delta (shiny) pokemon so it gained the wielder ability for Arcane Weapons only, but it's still something to think about.
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