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| For the love of God, please fix Double Strike in the next revision; Double Strikes mechanics are terrible | |
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| Doxy | Jul 22 2015, 09:19 AM Post #11 |
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Giant2005, I think you are severely overreacting. It was a pretty mild admonishment. And I'd like to point out YOU were the one that started making condescending insults; "Any logical mind would come to the same conclusion as I did" is a very nice way of saying "anyone that doesn't agree with me is stupid", and of shifting the context of the situation from simply varying opinions to something personal. You also stated that someone is "Far more likely" to read your interpretation, despite the fact that you're the first one I've ever seen read it that way. I'd also like you to actually address the points in Jaquerel's post, because to me it seems like you're the one adding in a lot of assumptions compared to how the text was written. In the future, if you're going to post something along the lines of "I'm not even going to read your argument because I'm mad", please don't bother posting next time. Consider yourself officially warned. |
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| Giant2005 | Jul 22 2015, 09:24 AM Post #12 |
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Pokémon Trainer
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No need - if I can figure out how to disable my account, I will do so. I have no desire to be part of a community that encourages such disrespectful behaviour. Edited by Giant2005, Jul 22 2015, 09:28 AM.
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| DivineDragoonKain | Jul 22 2015, 09:55 AM Post #13 |
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But the disrespectful behavior wasn't encouraged, it was officially warned. |
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| Affinity of Denial | Jul 22 2015, 10:03 AM Post #14 |
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The last Chef
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That got out of hand fast, but it is good to know what happens in this case nonetheless. Thank you. |
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| BatiroAtrain | Jul 22 2015, 11:00 AM Post #15 |
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Pyramid King
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For real though, if these kinds of things literally give you cold sweats at night, I think you're taking this whole 'tabletopping' thing much too seriously. It's all about having fun in the end, isn't it? So don't take disagreements and corrections so personally. Everyone that ever discussed anything with you in this thread about Double Strike did so only to help everyone clarify and better understand the mechanics of it. Nobody here is out to get you. |
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| Professor Laurel | Sep 1 2015, 10:28 PM Post #16 |
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Team Rocket Scientist
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I know that people got frustrated and left for reasons, so this thread shouldn't really be brought up, but I do just want to clarify how Critical Hits function with Double Strike. In the Damage Formula section of the core rulebook, the list says: 1) Initial DB 2) Apply Double Strike 3) Add DB modifiers like STAB 4) Modify for Critical Hits This would mean that having a Double Kick (which is DB 3) critical hit on a single attack roll, but hit with both would deal DB 6 damage plus STAB and other modifiers and then you'd add the damage roll again for the crit. This is all well and good, however, within the Double Strike Keyword it says: "...when adding damage from Critical Hit, add the Damage Base before it’s doubled." So this sounds like Critical Hits would apply before the Double Strike step in the damage calculation. That would make the same Double Kick from above deal DB 3 damage plus DB 6 + modifiers damage. (Also the example given in Double Strike uses Double Kick and says add +1d8+5 for crits. I believe this is a typo as Double Kick is a DB 3 and should be 1d6+5) Can you please clarify which way to determine what dice to roll for damage on double strike crits? Or, I can post this in the General Questions thread if that helps. |
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| Jacquerel | Sep 2 2015, 01:03 AM Post #17 |
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Specific rules always trump generic rules. Generally you do it in the order presented by that list, however if a move keyword says to do it differently then you listen to the keyword instead. |
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| ClockworkBen | Sep 3 2015, 02:47 PM Post #18 |
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Walking Bulbapedia
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This actually makes perfect sense. The damage formula is... 1) Initial DB 2) Apply Double Strike 3) Add DB modifiers like STAB 4) Modify for Critical Hits When using a move with Double Strike, and either Attack Roll results in a Critical Strike, you add the damage base (before it is doubled) during the 4th step. Example: I use Double Kick, and I roll 20,16 on both rolls. I currently Critically Strike on 18+. So one strike will be Critically Striking. I now look to the damage formula. I am receiving STAB on this. 1) I find the initial DB, which is DB 3 : 1d6+5. 2) I apply Double Strike since both strikes hit, so it's now DB 6 : 2d6+8. 3) I add 2 to the DB because I have STAB. So it's now DB 8 : 2d8+10 4) I modify for the Critical Strike. Looking at Double Strike's subtext, it reads, "When adding damage from Critical Hits, add the Damage Base before it’s doubled." This means we will be adding 1d6+5 to the damage. So for this Double Kick attack, I will be dealing [(2d8+10) + (1d6+5) + (ATK)] in damage. I believe this is how it was meant to be interpreted. If say both attacks were to Critically Strike, I'd add a second instance of (1d6+5) to that above damage calculation. Edited by ClockworkBen, Sep 3 2015, 02:51 PM.
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| overlordbunny | Sep 5 2015, 09:43 PM Post #19 |
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How does this interact with Sniper, if I were to crit twice with a double hit move, would Sniper apply to both crits separately? |
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| Kairose | Sep 5 2015, 10:15 PM Post #20 |
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Whenever you would add anything due to a critical hit, Sniper causes you to add twice that much instead. If you add 1d6+5, Sniper increases that to 2d6+10. If you add 2d8+10, Sniper changes it to 4d8+20. Sniper is not affected at all by double strike, beyond how crit mechanics work in the first place. |
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