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| Gamesdisk | Jun 2 2015, 02:33 PM Post #21 |
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Nope. There has been a French dude who was stole a pokemon centers healing unit. See nightstalkers bellow. A hillbilly who was really racist who was really nasty to the Arba PC. Then on the other side of the coin I got the Russian (who's accent for me is very similar to my romana accent but that is just due to my poor acting. Also see my iIndian/ Australian accent ) who was an failed ice gym leader saved the group at the time from freezing to death in a blizzard of rage. Money wise there are always ways to make money. Mostly by haveing pokemon battles in official pokemon areas that will telecast your match giving you fame and rotyaltes. Also do you consider Cilan offence, he's French and is Connoisseur and comes across a bit foppish? Coming from a traveller family I don't find this sort of thing at all offerfence and am wondering if your feeling hurt for me, though mine is Irish rather then romana, I can tell you so many stories. Like the time my aunty used to steal hanging baskets and sell them on the market. I do feel we all need to relax a bit and have grown up discussions, I havnt posted anything targeting any real person and would like to know how someone else would do a shady business dealer? Edited by Gamesdisk, Jun 2 2015, 04:35 PM.
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| GrayGriffin | Jun 2 2015, 05:34 PM Post #22 |
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"Ah, you unmasked me. Whatever shall I do."
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I already said. Don't focus on using racial stereotypes as a way to do that. Just use con-man language, and don't make the character a race that is often stereotypically associated with being thieves unless you've also presented other members of the race who don't behave in such a stereotypical way. I don't know whether to find Cilan offensive because I haven't watched the anime parts where he appears. BUT he's not a one-off character who just appears, says stereotypical French stuff, and is then gone. He travels along with the other characters and presumably gets more in-depth characterization. And what does your grandmother's behavior have to do with this? If you made an Irish character based on your grandmother who steals hanging baskets, then no, I wouldn't have found it as offensive because you're basing it on someone you know personally. But you haven't mentioned if you knew any real Romani people you were basing your shady salesman character on. And really? You don't think talking about racism and stereotypical portrayals in media is "grown-up"? |
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| EndrewSwiftwind | Jun 7 2015, 12:28 PM Post #23 |
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Lifeless since 3rd grade, unless the spell counts
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He already got yelled at by someone, and from what I read, was warned there would be consequences if he talked about it again like that. Like in a book, or amovie, you use stereotypes of ALL kinds, not towards just countries or genders, to quickly get a picture of what exactly they are. I'm not saying being racist is right, I'm stating that you probably don't get mad at a movie theater when they do the same thing. You are the one who keeps bringing it up. Drop it, and just move on. The purpose of this thread was to ask if he was being too harsh, and then he listed the hints, that many things in the media have used for years, and asked if that was enough. Cilan had time to be developed, whereas this character didn't. |
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| Gamesdisk | Jun 11 2015, 03:12 AM Post #24 |
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@EndrewSwiftwind thanks, this has been playing on my mind for a while now and to have someone else see what I was coming from has reassured me. The big bad bosses As you play the vidja games you hit the gyms and fight time elemental only leaders taking this idea one step beyond we will be using personification of the types. SO far I hit normal and poison however these are not in our current story-line and so may be reused Team rocket and using bioengineering to make super soldiers by giving people types. The first way they tried was smashing together humans and mons and this became Normal: you can read this adventure outline here, but I will some up what it says. Take one part werewolf, one part persian and one part five nights at freddys and you are in the ball park of where Im at. These pokey-human hybrid have lost their self awareness and now are just monsters. As all good monsters escape from their holding labs they are now hiding in the wilds. Poison: Well they need to refine their ascetics and so the next point of call was to just impede the pure essence, this was more of a success with the man keeping his mind, but his body was just became a oozo and acidic to the touch. He used his powers to go after the heart of the forestTM a magical gem keeping said forest alive. AKA They wanted to meet a shaymin. Now we get to the meat of the matter. Grass: looking at the best yu-gi-oh card evvver made Spoiler: click to toggle We have this Rocket leader taking her transformation so much slower then the others. When you first see her it will look like she just wearing green make up and has facial piercings. Her big thing is her command over grass types, being able to use a super infatuate skill that will turn the trainers on pokemon on them. As she gets stronger, she will get more and more skills as she loses herself more the type. Im seeing brilliant roleplay moments coming from this and get existed whenever I think about it. NOW I would like to ask you these two questions -How do you feel about the BBB being able to do things heroes can't powers wise. OR should all of the humans be built with player stat rules? - What would you do/feel from both IC and OC if your starter or most loyal pokemon turned on you due to a NPC skills? |
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| Jacquerel | Jun 11 2015, 03:49 AM Post #25 |
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NPCs being able to do things PCs can't is fine (especially if it's like a cool gym leader skill or boss ability) but I would be very very careful with pokemon mind control. Especially when you only have one Player Character. That's a really easy way to do things that are kind of bullshit and leave people very little room to actually do anything. |
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| FanaticRat | Jun 11 2015, 04:34 AM Post #26 |
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Mind control abilities are flat out never fun. From the narrative perspective, I would feel deeply betrayed and disturbed that the pokemon I have the deepest rapport with and probably the most investment in would up and turn on me due to a NPC's whims and I would begin to question if I could trust any of my pokemon. On the mechanical and OOC side, I would be angry with my GM so starkly robbing me of agency and resources and would wonder if he's going to do the same to my other pokemon or if I should even bother using pokemon anymore. Essentially, all this will do is screw the player over in a way they can't plan around or prevent and will make them unwilling to put any emotional or mechanical investment in their pokemon, which is directly counter to the entire purpose of the system; if the pokemon that has been there since the beginning and is the unquestionably most loyal to them can up and betray them, then what trust will they have in any of their marginally less loyal pokemon?. You cut out future roleplay avenues, remove the incentive to use pokemon, and most of all damage your players trust in you as a GM. Just don't do it. As an aside, I've noticed a trend in some of your decisions to be focused around tricking and punishing your players, especially for things they could reasonably not forseen. I want to reiterate that I don't think this is very good GMing practice and that it should be avoided in the future. I will also say that your decisions with the salesman were poor for reasons already discussed and that you should give your wife a way to recoup the money quickly or at the very least make the charm DO something. |
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| Gamesdisk | Jun 12 2015, 01:54 AM Post #27 |
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While that is a trend on this tread its not my normal Gm style, its just the things I want feedback on and to bounce my ideas. I will give out 'traps' that if players dont think about stuff they will lose. I remember I ran pathfinder and the ghost ship they were on was going to blow up from a giant kraken hyperbeam and they were all running from back to their own ship. The barbarin of the group stopped to pick up some magic cannon balls and I told him a few times that they were slowing him down. He refused to toss them, he got to the deck of the ship and tried to jump across to their own. He roll low on his jump( I think he got an 8 with mods but this is going back a bit) and was killed because of it. I feel I am harsh but fair.
But that completely removes the point of the encounter. The whole point was that the charm was a bit of junk and the person was just selling lucky heather.
I do agree, but im thinking its going to be some sort of siren song. Something to do with smells are pollen, sort of like catnip. A little bit of roleplay "Come on, its me, snap out of it" and the bond between pokemon and master gets even stronger. I feel that players should be able to lose, if not then there is no agency in what they choose to do. One of the worst games I have ever played in my life was a Star trek game. Where because we were meant to make a deal with these blackmarket dealers we couldnt just blow them out of the sky when we saw them despite knowing it was them who attack an allied ship. We where going to throw an asteroid at them but there 'was no asteroids small enough that your tractor beam can use' The next point was when I was trying to fit a cloaking device to our ship, it worked when I brought it over because it cloaked while I was transporting it. However it was broken after my expert mechanic tried to use it. This is the stuff I try to avoid at all costs. |
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| Jacquerel | Jun 12 2015, 03:06 AM Post #28 |
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It's easy to make players able to lose without adding unavoidable bullshit like mind control, players are in no way inherently stronger in this game than any opponent you throw against them. The things you have suggested to us in this topic (then gone ahead with anyway despite advice, so I don't know why you asked) have not been "harsh, but fair" they have been "harsh, and also not fair". Edited by Jacquerel, Jun 12 2015, 03:07 AM.
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| Doxy | Jun 12 2015, 06:54 AM Post #29 |
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.... but people do get mad at media portrayals of stereotypes. all the time. it's... actually kind of a huge thing? There's dozens if not hundreds of articles written about media portrayals every day? Not just by random people on the internet either - this is a huge issue that is discussed a lot academically and professionally all the time? Studying and criticizing how the media employs and furthers stereotypes is practically a whole academic field unto itself???????? What are you TALKING about? What you're saying sounds a lot like "I'm not saying being racist is right, except that the media already does it, so it's okay if I use racist stereotypes when convenient right?" |
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| GrayGriffin | Jun 12 2015, 07:50 AM Post #30 |
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Oh. My. GOD. Make it important to some other character! Maybe someone collects glass or makes glass figurines and that shade is just what they want and they'll pay a lot for it! Tada, you've let her get back the money she lost, make a new contact, and get a source that could potentially actually make an item to really give her Chikorita an advantage over Fire-types! |
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