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GM without a cause!; Feedback and whatnot
Topic Started: May 29 2015, 03:00 PM (3,380 Views)
Slytherclaw
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If there were a bunch of checks, then it's on her. If you're purposely looking to try and give that feel that people can't be trusted, then it sounds like it's not that terrible. I don't really see any problem with it--but you probably know your wife well enough to know how poorly she might respond, anyway.


...that being said, I feel like I should point out that your shady market guy is racist as hell. .-.
The fact that you're saying a romanian accent should be giving away the fact that it's a shady deal?
Like....gypsy is a racial slur.

Dude.
Edited by Slytherclaw, May 30 2015, 03:20 PM.
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Gamesdisk
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Slytherclaw
May 30 2015, 03:20 PM

...that being said, I feel like I should point out that your shady market guy is racist as hell. .-.
The fact that you're saying a romanian accent should be giving away the fact that it's a shady deal?
Like....gypsy is a racial slur.

Dude.
Fair point.
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GrayGriffin
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Gamesdisk
May 30 2015, 09:34 AM
..a NPC that she was with tried to warn her but her shy nature prevented her for doing little more then mumbling.
Well in that case, it wasn't actually a hint of any sort, was it? For all she knew, the NPC was simply nervous about being around another person. Slytherclaw has already pointed out how offensive your other hint was, so I'm not going to push any more about that.
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Gamesdisk
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May 30 2015, 10:35 PM
Gamesdisk
May 30 2015, 09:34 AM
..a NPC that she was with tried to warn her but her shy nature prevented her for doing little more then mumbling.
Well in that case, it wasn't actually a hint of any sort, was it? For all she knew, the NPC was simply nervous about being around another person. Slytherclaw has already pointed out how offensive your other hint was, so I'm not going to push any more about that.
This is not the place to debate racial stereotypes in roleplaying games.


Anyway, next time, though the dark cave ZUBATS! Hundreds as far as the eye can see. I'm looking at using a Bastardised horde rules from black crusade. For every 10 Zubats they are going to increase DB by +2. Can our heroes navigate the dark cave and come out the other side. What else lurks in dark? I'm not sure yet but I will come up with something!

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May 31 2015, 09:55 AM
GrayGriffin
May 30 2015, 10:35 PM

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This is not the place to debate racial stereotypes in roleplaying games.
You wanted feedback, and they're giving it to you. This is indeed the place for it, as it is part of your game.

The Zubat idea is not so good. What are you going to do, constantly have the party attacked the entire way? Infinite zubat jokes are fun and all, but the reality makes for a poor ttrpg gameplay experience. You can convey giant fistfuls of zubats without having to fight massive globs of them, especially when you only have one player.
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He asked for feedback on the situation he created, not his characters. Like he said, not the proper thread, somewhat off-topic to discuss it further.

That said, big swarms of little Pokemon are much better than statting 20 different Zubats, less bookkeeping and faster session, but execution is also a big part of it. It should not be a goal to defeat them, just make them an inconvenience, like having a stray swarm target them with Wing Attack every so often. You don't necessarily need to buff the DB on the attack to make up for numbers (if they're having bad luck, she could be hit 10 times before making it through), just use it enough to make it annoying, or taxing if she has a poor Survival skill. Maybe she could even find a way to drive them off or become immune to their attacks, like waving a torch around when they get close.
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May 31 2015, 02:56 PM
He asked for feedback on the situation he created, not his characters. Like he said, not the proper thread, somewhat off-topic to discuss it further.
Characters are part of situations, characters are part of campaigns. Characters are everything :V Without including the characters, you have literally nothing except formless, shapeless, sub-robotic blobs standing near each other. And then the situation falls apart completely because deceit is part of a character, if you ignore character then... You ignore deceit, a common part of communication.

You can't ask for a review of a game and expect the reviewer to ignore say, huge chunks of level design because architecture isn't strictly gaming.
Edited by NachtSieger, May 31 2015, 03:56 PM.
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Gamesdisk
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Ok.

Well using stereotypes lets story tellers atune already socially set behavioral templates for characters that will not get screen time to develop fully realized personalty's that cannot be summed up in a moments meeting.
A persons culture and upbringing will effect they attitude and morality stances, while I agree that the collection of NPC that can be mowed down in media due to nothing but their race isnt right, in this happening it matters not only what accent I used but also the other language and other descriptors used to set the scene.

The item was bought in the middle of a route, on a pop up wooden stall, under a spooky tree. It was dodgy as fuck to begin with, I would also like to point to page 463 of the corebook
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Occult Shops
Commonly: Useless hogwash with no effect
Possibly: Cleanse Tags, Dream Mist
Very Rarely: Magic Flutes


Now, the chikorita was used vs a houndour that she forgot had fire attacks and got badly hurt. As such it became scared of ALL sources of fire and I used that knowledge when setting up this encounter. The shop keeper just saw a grass type pokemon and even with an untrained knowledge in pokemon would know the fire->grass->water loop.
In the real world I have encountered these type of Con-men trying to sell windows at stupid high price only dropping down to a 'really' good deal once you start humming an haring. She just jumped at the chance at the super high price and dropped 4200poke or $84US.
I think I will stick to my guns and keep them at useless tat.
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Gamesdisk
May 31 2015, 09:55 AM
GrayGriffin
May 30 2015, 10:35 PM

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This is not the place to debate racial stereotypes in roleplaying games.
You brought it up, dude.

Also, consider this a warning. If you want to employ racist caricatures in your games in lieu of characterization, well, that is sadly your business. But don't bring it here on the forums and expect it to go unnoticed or unremarked, especially when you bring the character up as as a discussion point.

And preferably, don't bring it up at all - I will consider posts that display racist attitudes like the one demonstrated in the post that sparked this discussion to be in violation or our second community guideline.

If this kind of issue comes up again, there will be consequences.


EDIT: edited for clarity

Edited by Doxy, Jun 2 2015, 10:19 AM.
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GrayGriffin
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Gamesdisk
Jun 2 2015, 03:44 AM
Ok.

Well using stereotypes lets story tellers atune already socially set behavioral templates for characters that will not get screen time to develop fully realized personalty's that cannot be summed up in a moments meeting.
A persons culture and upbringing will effect they attitude and morality stances, while I agree that the collection of NPC that can be mowed down in media due to nothing but their race isnt right, in this happening it matters not only what accent I used but also the other language and other descriptors used to set the scene.
Then...you...could have...just used stereotypical con-man language instead of racial stereotypes? Like, is this character the only Romanian character in your campaign so far? Furthermore, I noticed you didn't respond to my other comment about the fact that taking all your player's money is really harsh for a solo game. Do you have any other plans to let her still get other stuff she wants/needs?
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