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Five Strike move help
Topic Started: May 24 2014, 04:15 PM (1,264 Views)
camperdave
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Hey everyone,

I'm a fairly new GM to the system, and I'm not exactly how sure Five Strike moves interact with Accuracy rolls and Critical hits. I know I roll 1d8 to determine how many times the move strikes, but I assume I only roll 1 accuracy check to see if the entire move connects? Can Five Strike moves critical hit? If so, I assume it doubles the damage base after it is calculated by the d8?

Thanks for the clarification!
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castfromhp
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That's all correct, except you don't double the damage base itself - you double the roll given by the damage base. You make an accuracy roll to see if the entire attack hits. Then if it does, you roll the d8 to determine DB. And if it was a crit, you double the damage roll given by the DB.
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camperdave
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castfromhp
May 24 2014, 04:18 PM
That's all correct, except you don't double the damage base itself - you double the roll given by the damage base. You make an accuracy roll to see if the entire attack hits. Then if it does, you roll the d8 to determine DB. And if it was a crit, you double the damage roll given by the DB.
Thanks for the clarification!

I'm terrible at remembering all this combat math live, so I'm actually getting ahead of my playgroup and implementing a small game rules engine script for Roll20. Gotta work out all these weird technicalities up front though!

Edit: Now I'm confused about normal attacks... Regular attacks without double or five strike do in fact double the DB, rather than the damage roll, or is direct DB manipulation limited to the second attack roll of a double strike move?
Edited by camperdave, May 24 2014, 04:46 PM.
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DNA
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Quick run-down:

~Struggle attacks: Always DB4, unless you have Expert Combat, so it's DB5. You don't apply STAB to this.
~Normal attacks: DB is listed on the move. If you have STAB for it, increase its DB by 2. Other features such as Iron Fist or Adaptability increase its DB in the same way.
~Double-Strike: You make 2 separate accuracy rolls for Double-Strike. If you hit once, then just use its regular DB. If you hit twice, then double its DB. If memory serves, you factor in STAB BEFORE doubling, not after. If either one crits, you add whatever it says in the Double-Strike keyword.
~Five-Strike: Start with the base DB on the move, roll your d8 and multiply it by that number. Only after that do you apply STAB and other bonuses (for example, a fivestrike move with DB3 at its base that you get STAB on, and hits all five times, has a DB of 17, not 25).

Note, if any attack crits, you double the roll - not the DB, e.g. a DB8 move critting has (DB8)*2, not DB16.

Double-Strike is the weird one. All the others are (fairly) straightforward.
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No, you still factor in STAB and other factors AFTER doubling with Double Strike. It's just that if you score a crit, you double only the portion of the attack that was a crit. Ex: If you hit twice on a DB 4 Double Strike Move and one of the hits is a crit, then you deal DB 8 damage + the damage roll for DB 4 again.
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No, you still factor in STAB and other factors AFTER doubling with Double Strike.

Ah, okay. I keep forgetting Double Strike.

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Ex: If you hit twice on a DB 4 Double Strike Move and one of the hits is a crit, then you deal DB 8 damage + the damage roll for DB 4 again.

1d8+5 is not DB4. In fact, it's not anything. The crit adding for Double Strike has nothing to do with DB:

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Each hit may Critically Hit
separately; when adding damage from Critical Hit, add
the Damage Base before it’s doubled. For example, if one
Double Kick attack is a Critical Hit, add +1d8+5 to the
damage roll. If both are Critical Hits, add +2d8+10.


I can only assume that's a horrible mistake...especially given how Double Kick is 1d6+5.
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That's cause we updated the damage base chart and didn't adjust that example. It'll be fixed in the next update. Pretend the proper damage rolls are there in the example.
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Kairose
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I think that might have been a result of the damage base table being adjusted, but they forgot to update the example in Double Strike (or added that before the adjustment and forgot to fix it)

Edit: need to learn to refresh before posting if I haven't been paying attention to the tab.
Edited by Kairose, May 24 2014, 08:09 PM.
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Okay, that's a relief.
Because I remember that coming up once when the first hit of DK crit, and the other one missed entirely, and we were all confused and tearing our hair out over it.
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